Comments on: Canadian hero: Pat Stogran http://sistersagesmusings.ca/2010/11/08/canadian-hero-pat-stogran/ Center-left blog from Canadians across the country and beyond Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:10:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: ck http://sistersagesmusings.ca/2010/11/08/canadian-hero-pat-stogran/comment-page-1/#comment-5591 ck Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:25:27 +0000 http://sistersagesmusings.ca/?p=5027#comment-5591 <em>I would be very surprised if they would support extending the war to send jobs to Quebec, as you seem to be implying.</em> I'm implying that if these parties were competitive with the top runners, were lobbied and bribed equally as the they are, they too wouldn't be in as much of a hurry to leave, is all; basically they can all be bought and sold if the price is right. The title "Taliban Jack" came from the lunacy of the right simply because Layton, simply suggests more dialogue is needed with all sides, including with the Taliban if need be. I would be happy too if we didn't extend our stay in Afghanistan, but I also know, especially with Steve and a Great Depression looming, war is big business and a major employer, with powerful lobbyists and corporations who line politicians' pockets. No way that war was going to end without some other military mission. <a href="http://www.truth-out.org/robert-reich-americas-biggest-jobs-program-is-us-military62313" rel="nofollow">http://www.truth-out.org/robert-reich-americas-biggest-jobs-program-is-us-military62313</a> True, the above article is American, but it happens in Canada too; I would bet my next paychecque on that. I would be very surprised if they would support extending the war to send jobs to Quebec, as you seem to be implying.

I’m implying that if these parties were competitive with the top runners, were lobbied and bribed equally as the they are, they too wouldn’t be in as much of a hurry to leave, is all; basically they can all be bought and sold if the price is right.

The title “Taliban Jack” came from the lunacy of the right simply because Layton, simply suggests more dialogue is needed with all sides, including with the Taliban if need be.

I would be happy too if we didn’t extend our stay in Afghanistan, but I also know, especially with Steve and a Great Depression looming, war is big business and a major employer, with powerful lobbyists and corporations who line politicians’ pockets. No way that war was going to end without some other military mission.
http://www.truth-out.org/robert-reich-americas-biggest-jobs-program-is-us-military62313

True, the above article is American, but it happens in Canada too; I would bet my next paychecque on that.

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By: Anon http://sistersagesmusings.ca/2010/11/08/canadian-hero-pat-stogran/comment-page-1/#comment-5589 Anon Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:49:15 +0000 http://sistersagesmusings.ca/?p=5027#comment-5589 Actually, if you google "did bin laden take responsibility for 911", you will see that many people had already raised interesting questions about whether the famous video purportedly showing him taking responsibility was actually real or not. Here is one (http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_19.htm) which argued that Bin Laden actually first denied responsibility until that video surfaced mysteriously four days before an election. The point, though, as pointed out by Margolis and others, is that Bush has never been able to produce evidence substatiating his claim that BL/AQ were directly involved, a rather important point if one was goint to justify leading a coalition of countries to invade another sovereign nation, don't you think? This was despite Colin Powell being asked to do so at the UN. Unlike the Cons and the Libs, both the NDP and the BQ have been quite consistently against the Afgha. war, earning Layton the label Taliban Jack remember? I would be very surprised if they would support extending the war to send jobs to Quebec, as you seem to be implying. I cannot comment about whether we would have been in the Congo or not, I am just happy if we do not extend our stay in Afgha. Actually, if you google “did bin laden take responsibility for 911″, you will see that many people had already raised interesting questions about whether the famous video purportedly showing him taking responsibility was actually real or not. Here is one (http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_19.htm) which argued that Bin Laden actually first denied responsibility until that video surfaced mysteriously four days before an election.

The point, though, as pointed out by Margolis and others, is that Bush has never been able to produce evidence substatiating his claim that BL/AQ were directly involved, a rather important point if one was goint to justify leading a coalition of countries to invade another sovereign nation, don’t you think? This was despite Colin Powell being asked to do so at the UN.

Unlike the Cons and the Libs, both the NDP and the BQ have been quite consistently against the Afgha. war, earning Layton the label Taliban Jack remember? I would be very surprised if they would support extending the war to send jobs to Quebec, as you seem to be implying.

I cannot comment about whether we would have been in the Congo or not, I am just happy if we do not extend our stay in Afgha.

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By: ck http://sistersagesmusings.ca/2010/11/08/canadian-hero-pat-stogran/comment-page-1/#comment-5586 ck Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:01:19 +0000 http://sistersagesmusings.ca/?p=5027#comment-5586 But didn't Bin Ladin and/or Al Qaeda take responsibility proudly for 9/11? <em>Sadly, it looks like Harper, with the help of the Libs., is now going to prolong our stay there.</em> Are you really surprised? Petey MacKay has been flapping his gums about it since last year. Please remember Steve's game, he has his MPs flap their gums on any given unpopular issue to test the waters; see the reaction; polls, etc. War is big business. The whole defense industry has major lobbyists who I'm sure are courting both parties. Quite honestly, if the NDP were more competitive or if these corporations offered to send many jobs to Quebec, Both the NDP and Bloc would also be on side. That's how things work here; a smaller scale US Congress. My husband and I know someone who works for the military. He told us not even a year ago that if Canada did pull out of Afghanistan, we would be going to the Congo. Further evidence we're becoming more like the US; never happy unless we're fighting with some other nation. But didn’t Bin Ladin and/or Al Qaeda take responsibility proudly for 9/11?

Sadly, it looks like Harper, with the help of the Libs., is now going to prolong our stay there.

Are you really surprised? Petey MacKay has been flapping his gums about it since last year. Please remember Steve’s game, he has his MPs flap their gums on any given unpopular issue to test the waters; see the reaction; polls, etc.

War is big business. The whole defense industry has major lobbyists who I’m sure are courting both parties. Quite honestly, if the NDP were more competitive or if these corporations offered to send many jobs to Quebec, Both the NDP and Bloc would also be on side. That’s how things work here; a smaller scale US Congress.

My husband and I know someone who works for the military. He told us not even a year ago that if Canada did pull out of Afghanistan, we would be going to the Congo. Further evidence we’re becoming more like the US; never happy unless we’re fighting with some other nation.

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By: Anon http://sistersagesmusings.ca/2010/11/08/canadian-hero-pat-stogran/comment-page-1/#comment-5585 Anon Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:30:46 +0000 http://sistersagesmusings.ca/?p=5027#comment-5585 You may change your mind that the original intention of the war was honorable after reading this article by Margolis: http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/afghanistan-a-war-of-lies.aspx. Margolis, as I recall, fought as an infantryman with the U.S. forces in Iraq and then became a journalist specializing in the politics of that region of the world. So unless he has political motives, he should know what he is talking about. I personally believe Margolis' views that Bush misled the world on Afgha. as he did with Iraq and WMD. If Margolis is right, the real "axis of evil" may actually be Bush-Blair-Harper, as Bush had apparently never been able to produce any credible evidence that Bin Laden/AQ was responsible for 911 to justify the original attack on the Taliban. lol. Sadly, it looks like Harper, with the help of the Libs., is now going to prolong our stay there. You may change your mind that the original intention of the war was honorable after reading this article by Margolis: http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/afghanistan-a-war-of-lies.aspx. Margolis, as I recall, fought as an infantryman with the U.S. forces in Iraq and then became a journalist specializing in the politics of that region of the world. So unless he has political motives, he should know what he is talking about. I personally believe Margolis’ views that Bush misled the world on Afgha. as he did with Iraq and WMD.

If Margolis is right, the real “axis of evil” may actually be Bush-Blair-Harper, as Bush had apparently never been able to produce any credible evidence that Bin Laden/AQ was responsible for 911 to justify the original attack on the Taliban. lol.

Sadly, it looks like Harper, with the help of the Libs., is now going to prolong our stay there.

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By: ck http://sistersagesmusings.ca/2010/11/08/canadian-hero-pat-stogran/comment-page-1/#comment-5570 ck Tue, 09 Nov 2010 03:34:07 +0000 http://sistersagesmusings.ca/?p=5027#comment-5570 Christie Bitchford will be on this...any minute now! Christie Bitchford will be on this…any minute now!

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