Would Another Harpercon Minority Throw Steve Out of Office? Tom Flanagan Throws in Two Cents Regarding His Former Protege
I’m going to start, from time to time, post questions which I will encourage anyone to answer in the comments section.
Up until now, I had heard the musings and ramblings of the potential for yet, another Harpercon minority as the result of another federal election; that the upcoming election would be basically a do or die situation for Steve. I guess that could be possible if his own party developped a backbone to go against their master, which they never seem to do without some serious consequences attached to that; particularly with women MPs.
Remember when I mentioned how most Canadians don’t understand our parliamentary system? I confess that while I know the basics of our system, I don’t quite get all the intricacies, but I learn more as I read and listen to these days.
I didn’t really follow the British elections as much as many Canadian bloggers I’ve read have. Unlike many bloggers who were comparing polls before election day and the numbers of dark horse, Nick Clegg and the Liberal Dems (yes, even the colour scheme resembles that of our parties; it is uncanny), I felt that the comparisons were apples and oranges. I still do. Many are seeing resemblances of these results to our situation, I don’t really. For openers, David Cameron hasn’t led me to believe he is as religiously fanatical as Brother Steve, nor as dictatorial, potentially. I see Cameron as more of the now defunct Progressive Conservative of days gone by. He certainly doesn’t seem to be as far right as Margaret Thatcher was. I digress. Just my two cents, really.
What I did find most intriguing after reading the results from British media pages like the BBC, is that in the event of a minority, or a ‘hung’ parliament as the British refer to this situation, it is first up to the sitting prime minister, in this case, Gordon Brown to at least attempt to form the government. After reading that, my first reaction was that of awe to say the least. I mean, wow! Both Britain and Canada have a westminster parliamentary system, yet we have such different rules from one another ( another reason I thought comparing polling numbers and results to us was like comparing apples and oranges). After reading that particularity, I thought that if Canada had that same parliamentary rule, perhaps we wouldn’t have been looking at a Harpercon government today, or at the very least, things could have been very different today.
Then I caught this delight over at Blogging Romper Roomie, Iceman’s. Here, the comments to the post intrigued me more than his actual post (keep in mind, Iceman isn’t exactly the poster child for mental stability). Commenters: Anonymous-Stephen P, Rocky and Brian Busby seem to be unanymous that Canada has that same rule, but that Prime ministers who lost to minority governments like Trudeau and Martin could have stuck around to try to get the confidence of the house, but they chose of their own volition to leave.
If those three commenters are correct and knowing how much Master Steve wants absolute power, if the Liberals, either, under Iggy or someone else won a minority, whose to say Steve won’t cede power, if under current parliamentary rules he would have every right to attempt to govern anyway? That possibility, no doubt would get the Harpercon cheerleaders all ga ga giddy; those same folks who would have cursed at Trudeau or Martin for deciding to attempt to make a go of it.
I get the feeling that while the best the Liberals could ever hope for in the next few years (barring a coalition with NDP, but Steve has permanently pitted them against each other that it won’t happen) is a minority, we may not be rid of Steve so quickly. Would there be a way to get rid of Steve other than a Liberal or left/center left coalition majority?
If anyone could shed any light on this, please do so in comments section. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Well: even Tom Flanagan is of the belief Stevie Spiteful, even if he wins fewer seats than the Liberals in the next election, or even a few other scenarios, could do anything to hold on to power & would not step down so easily. Flanagan knows his protege, probably more than the rest of the world, so I would say this is indeed a likely scenario. I wonder what the blogging supposiTories would say to that one? Knowing their whole mantra of St Stevie can do no wrong and the Liberals can do no right, they would probably push for it, claiming the precedent with MacKenzie King in 1925, in spite of the Cons winning more seats. After all, this is the same group that basically wants to see the opposition essentially, abolished so Steve can have clear reign. I still say Steve will bounce back, though. Shameless columnists like this one, as well as Blogging SupposiTory, Jojo Blue are selling this over priced photo-op and a city under siege as a small price for our ‘freedoms’. Many are dumb enough to swallow that. Time will tell if any ridings in and around Toronto will forgive St-Stevie in the next election & help him get that coveted majority or even help him hang onto power if the Liberals win more seats than the Harpercons. Folks, we may not like Tom Flanagan, he’s a bloody wingnut indeed, but as mentioned above, he probably knows Stevie Spiteful better than Laureen would. If he hints at things like Stevie attempting to hold on to power in spite of winning fewer seats than the Liberals, I would take it seriously.
As far as I understand it, Canada’s (and Britain’s) system is very tradition based. Whereas Britain’s tradition has established that sitting PMs get first dibs at power, our system is fairly established that most seats gets first dibs. So while we both have Westminster-style houses, we actually have more precedent in terms of minority parliaments (you can thank having a successful third party for that), so I don’t foresee even the most bitter, corrupt, hypocritical Harper trying to hold onto power after the voters “rejected” him.
The one thing that may be of interest from Britain right now though, is if the Lib Dems manage to extract a meaningful electoral reform pledge from whoever they govern with and move beyond First-Past-The-Post to something more proportional. This would leave Canada as the only Westminster Parliamentary system with the outdated system left in the world (and I think the only country except for the USA that uses it otherwise). A more proportional voting scheme prevents 40% of the vote resulting in a majority of the house.
As for taking down Harper, I’m thinking the Lib-NDP coalition will have to occur after the next election, provided the two parties can play just fair enough to not split the vote (but still get enough to outnumber Harper).
Tradition can be broken. Most news people know so little about it, they wouldn’teven notice it had been broken. However, in practical terms, no minority government can last without some support on a regular basis.
Sometimes that is done with a price tag, as when Woodsworth supported the Libs of Mackenzie King in return for a promise of a national old age pension. Sometimes, as in the present case, because not enough of the oppostion wants an election and can afford it.
I’m not sure that would change in any hurry with anoher election.
The choices? Greens? A one-trick pony. Environment is an important issue. But it’s not the only one.
Conservatives? I would expect serious and lasting damage to Canadian democracy and society.
Liberals? Desperately need to mean something, and to get rid of Ignatieff.
NDP? Let’s face it. This ain’t the old CCF. I don’t think it any longer has anything original to offer. What it does have is a more humane approach to most issues. Politically, it’s stalled, and I can’t see that changing.
Bloc? Forget it. It’s interested solely in what it can get for Quebec. Give it to them, and you simply keep them in as a disruptive force that will contribute nothing.
The sensible thing? Unite the Liberals and NDP ASAP. Hammer out a programme that takes us away from the Conservatives, and brings back voters from the Greens. Liberal-Democrats. That might have a chance.
Graeme Decarie
Who is this “Tom Flanagan” you speak of?
Tom flanagan–Steve’s old strategist and mentor…are there others?
Ooooh, THAT Tom Flanagan. Sorry, I must have had a Shelly Glover moment.
We all have ‘em. Don’t worry.