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Posts Tagged ‘Religious Extremism’

President Obama’s Newfound Spine, Tarek Fatah & Raheel Raza’s Wrong Approach and The Gamble of a New Islamic Center at Ground Zero

Good.

Now only if he did that when health care reform was being hammered out and then perhaps every American would  have had a shot at decent health care. But I digress… I only hope that this is the beginning and that Obama stops attempting to play nice with the rethuglicans and trying to please the tea-bagger hit parade, the Fox News crowd and the Rush Limbaugh machine.

Here’s some of what President Obama had to say on the subject:

Recently, attention has been focused on the construction of mosques in certain communities – particularly in New York. Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan. The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. The pain and suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground.

But let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our Founders must endure.

Why not build a Muslim Center? It’s been nearly a decade since 9/11 and it seems that no one has been really serious about building anything on Ground Zero ever since.  From what I understand, there is still a gaping hole from where the explosions happened. It would seem to me that whether one left a gaping hole or built anything on the site, there will always be painful memories associated with the area.

What many fail to see is that many Muslims were victims of those attacks as well. Perhaps they would like to remember them as well as the other victims.

Perhaps building this center could be a way of trying to bridge the differences; to show that most Muslims denounce what a bunch of extremist thugs did.

And let’s face it, every religion has blood on its’ hands. Not one denomination can come out honestly to say that their clerics and followers have practiced as they should. Every denomination has extremist socio-paths, yet we only seem to not only concentrate on the Muslim ones but we tag the entire religion to them.  We seem to ignore other extremist socio-paths when they break the law. Remember that pulagamist sect in British Columbia not that long ago? Men in their 50s, 60s and 70s marrying many women and young girls; girls as young as 12; those same girls getting raped by these men, yet we as a society ignore them and ignore those poor girls. This brings me to my next point, many claim we’re in Afghanistan to protect the young Afghan girls from Taliban attrocities but we ignore the young girls on our own soil trapped on those compounds; why is that? Many are still pleading to society to forgive the priests who abused children and shame on those of us who want them brought to justice. I’m not going to compare which crimes are more serious; only comparing and contrasting our attitudes when Muslim extremists commit attrocities in the name of their religion vs when socio-paths of other denominations commit attrocities in the name of their religion. Again, I go off topic, but I simply wanted to make a point about how bigotted and paranoid we’ve become, to the point where ignore our own religious shortcomings; to point out our own hypocrisy.

Luca Manfredi, who is actually one of the more sane blogging tories provides some interesting arguments. While he believes it’s a gamble and has some reservations, overall, he believes the project should go ahead for the following reasons:

Firstly, its location would be a poignant reminder to its attendees about what happened close by. With a good and scholarly imam it could indeed turn into a centre preaching tolerance and peace. I wouldn’t set the odds too high on that one though.

Secondly, and no less importantly, the interest surrounding it could be a stimulus for both religions to study each other without resorting to rhetoric. Right now the dialectic resembles an exchange between Mullah Omar and Fred Phelps. Understanding and tolerance can come solely through a deep mutual study, in order to see  each other’s moral and philosophical bedrock. Islam is not radical by nature, but it does lend itself to misinterpretation. If the Cordoba centre helps correct the mistakes of many, it won’t be a waste of space and money.

Thirdly, it might at last serve as a stepping stone for many budding American Islamic scholars and imams. What should be encouraged (and maybe given a little money by Bloomberg the appeaser) is a closer tie to Egypt’s Al Azhar University rather than wahhabi Saudi madrassas. I am sure there are tons of American muslim youngsters who would love to study their religion and preach it. Their dreams are hijacked by the Saudis, who groom them into radicalism. Maybe, just maybe, Cordoba could be persuaded to reverse this trend and begin breeding a generation of well-versed American imams. That would go a long way to nipping the mosque radicalisation in the bud.

Sometimes I have to wonder about folks like Tarek Fatah and Raheel Raza. They came out against the center recently. Here is their take in the Calgary Herald. I read their arguments and to me, it sounded like they were catering to paranoia.  I understand that in their way, they want to be the voices for moderate Islam; to speak up for the silent majority, but often I find they take the wrong approach. I find that they’re simply pandering to western bigotry and ignorance rather than educating and reaching out to them, thus further feeding the sociopaths who are hijacking their own faith and culture. Such suggestions like this one sound alarm bells:

If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue…

How absurd! Rauf is Muslim; as Manfredi points out, what would he know about building a synagogue or a church for that matter? About as much as a Rabbi or a minister/priest building a mosque.

I can’t help but wonder if Fatah and Raza are suggesting that the only way to build bridges is to submit to Judaio-Christian society? Come to think of it; why haven’t any Jewish or Christian organizations thought about building a church or synagogue in that area in the last nine years? While we’re at it; why hasn’t Wall Street? Or any other company or NGO?   Why did no one think of building a commemorative plaque, another suggestion of Fatah and Raza? Is everyone simply content to leave a gaping hole of where it all happened?  Someone thinks to build something and many are now presuming to tell him what to build? To build what they themselves didn’t think of building in the last nine years?

Somebody is now expressing an interest in building and it is to be an Islamic center. Mayor Bloomberg has come out in favor of this project. And now, so has President Obama.  Sure, it is hitting him in the polls, but with the gang of tea-bagger misfits in the Rethuglicans these days, he may well survive this. Hell, if he can keep his spine throughout the rest of his mandate, perhaps he could even beat Sa-wah in 2012.  It’s good to see Mayor Bloomberg standing behind the president:

“clarion defense of the freedom of religion.”

Hopefully, many more, perhaps some fellow Democrats come forth to stand with their leader on this issue.

As for the GOP and the tea-baggers all crying out “it’s a slap in the face against the 9/11 victims”; I didn’t see their outrage when lil’ Georgie & Dickie cut 77% of health care funding  and cancelled a health monitoring program to these very same victims and former workers who can no longer work.  Their newfound solidarity for these victims now to cover their own paranoia and bigotry is really hollow.

Yeah, many, including, no doubt, Fatah and Raza, probably believe that the building of this Islamic center is nothing more than a deliberate provocation; a taunt to the Americans. I highly doubt that and we should give them the benefit of the doubt. If that proves to be the case somewhere down the road, then, shouldn’t it be incumbent upon us to not fall into that trap and rise above that? Wouldn’t that be a new attitude to show to the world?

Luca Manfredi is right though; it is a gamble, but not only for the reasons he mentioned in his post.   Read some of the comments at his post if you dare; much hatred and such awful creative evil ideas from some of them. Yes, for a blogging tory, that took guts for him to write so hats to him. I commend anyone publicly taking a stand in favor of the project; Dan Delmar had nothing but screeching callers who needed rubber rooms and surprisingly, redneck Ryan came out in favor too in spite of insane callers. I can only imagine those involved with the project must be going through. I wonder how many death threats Mayor Bloomberg is getting these days? Threats with President Obama seem to be a regular happening. For those reasons,  I, too, have some reservations about the project. I’m concerned about the safety of the contractors and all the workers building this project as well as potential sabotage. If it did get built and once the new Islamic center was built, I would be concerned about the safety of its’ members trying to attend. That said,  I also believe in nothing ventured; nothing gained. I say go ahead with the project but proceed with caution.

Texas Bus Driver Sues For Discrimination; Religious Reasons–For the Suzy ALLCAPSLOCK Files

I always knew the U.S. were known for two things; their litigiousness and their ever growing wingnuttiness. Particularly religious wingnuttiness.  Just when you think the law suit or the religious belief doesn’t get more ridiculous, more stories proving us wrong come up.

Here is the doozy: a bus driver in Texas is suing for discrimination based on his religious beliefs. Why? Get this one, boys n’ girls; because of his religious beliefs. No, I’m not kidding.  He was fired for refusing to take women to Planned Parenthood Centers.

Edwin Graning, who was hired as a driver on April 1, 2009, was “concerned that he might be transporting a client to undergo an abortion” when he was assigned to take two women to Planned Parenthood, according to his lawsuit, filed this week in U.S. District Court in Austin.

Graning is seeking reinstatement, back pay and undisclosed damages for pain, suffering and emotion distress. He is represented by lawyers from the American Center for Law & Justice, founded by evangelical Christian leader Pat Robertson.

Joanna Salinas, an Austin lawyer who represents the Capital Area Rural Transportation System, said, “CARTS denies that it discriminated against Mr. Graning because of his religion, and we are looking forward to responding to the lawsuit in court.”

The system, operated under an agreement among participating counties, offers bus service on fixed routes and through requested pickup for residents in the nonurban areas of Travis and Williamson counties and in all of Bastrop, Burnet, Blanco, Caldwell, Fayette, Hays and Lee counties.

After he was dispatched to take the women to Planned Parenthood in January, Graning called his supervisor “and told her that, in good conscience, he could not take someone to have an abortion,” his lawsuit said. The women’s names, their location and the clinic location were not included in the lawsuit. Planned Parenthood also provides health care services unrelated to abortion.

Graning, a Kyle resident, is “an ordained Christian minister who is opposed to abortion,” the lawsuit said.

His supervisor, who is not named, responded by saying, “Then you are resigning,” the suit said.

Graning denied he was resigning and was later told to drive his bus back to the yard and then was fired, the lawsuit said.

Graning’s suit claims violations of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex or national origin.

Read the rest here.

Yes,  the good Reverend thinks he deserves the keys to the courthouse in addition to a king’s ransome from his former employer from ‘preventing’ women from having abortions. And of course he does! What were his employers thinking? He’s a super hero! He saved the day! Hurrah! Hell! Give him the keys to the city! Never mind all the pap smears, counselling and other female health exams and treatments he may have prevented, but hell, it was all worth it! By Golly Gee! He saved the fetuses!!

Me thinks this wacked out bus driver has prohibited his own employment opportunities by not taking paying customers to where they want and have paid to go just because he doesn’t approve of what the customer may or may not be doing at said destination; in this case, possible abortions at a Planned Parenthood Center. 

In our minds, the Reverend Graning’s law suit should be a no brainer.  The case would and should be thrown out and he should be laughed out of court in much the same way as Orly Taitz, right? Well, we can hope that would happen.  But, let’s be realistic, Texas is the bible belt of the U.S. and folks tend to get more wingnutty as time goes by, and the very fact that a judge seemed to have agreed to keep the case on the docket is, well, disturbing to say the least. Don’t be surprised if  Reverend Bus driver does recover back pay, gets his job back and of course, gets the special privilege of either by passing the Planned Parenthood center entirely or having the route changed to the point he would never even have to pass within view of the building.

This oughta make Suzy ALLCAPSLOCK all warm and tingly inside. A hero after her own heart, right up there after Pope Ratzy, Cardinal Mar Ouellet, Dean Del Mastro and Sharon Angle.

H/T Blag Hag

Lorrie Goldstein Hits New Heights of Wingnuttery: Evangelicals Work Hard to Help…For a Price, Naturally

Read and weep here folks, to believe it is to read it. Yes, Lorrie is praising this group of Socon Evangelical ministers for helping the community of Jane-Finch in Toronto. As someone who got lost around there once, I can tell you it makes  Montreal’s worst neighbourhoods like look nice middle class suburbia.  Oh yes! Quite the miracles they’re performing! I can tell you that my mother who does live in Toronto would never be seen in that neighbourhood late at night. In fact, I would dare say, even if my father were still in good health (he used to be a rugby player), he wouldn’t head up there voluntarily today. Lorrie, can you say that my parents can walk through Jane-Finch safely now, because of the conversion work these socon evangelicals so well for the neighbourhood? That’s all that was needed? A little Evangelical epiphany throughout Jane-Finch and it’s safe again? No more poverty?

— I wish they would visit some of Toronto’s most troubled communities, like Jane-Finch.

There they will find courageous, black, Christian, socially conservative, evangelical pastors, trying to undo decades of damage caused by secular, liberal, social engineers, who decades ago, thought just like they do today.

Folks who, worshipping the god of state-enforced multiculturalism, jammed tens of thousands of new Canadians into high-rises along barren concrete corridors, lacking basic necessities such as schools, because, after all, what could possibly go wrong?

Of course, everything went wrong and it’s Christian leaders like Jamaican-born Pastor Orim Meikle and his Rhema Ministries, who have been cleaning up the mess ever since.

Like Poverty didn’t have anything to do with that. As a lilly white society, we seem determined to keep them in their place of poverty.  It’s a known fact that members of any visible minority have to work at least twice as hard to get the same jobs, educational opportunities, choice of housing or promotions than their waspy counterparts.  Many would simply give up as soon as they realize the dream is unattainable. This w0uld also, of course,  include poor white people who can’t seem to break the generational cycle of poverty.

Like any other such program, the way Lorrie describes, Rev Meikle’s program attaches conditions of  manditory bible study in exchange for this help: conversion.  I’m sure poor Muslims, Buddhists, Sikkhs, Hindus, Buddhists, yes, even Jews must live in that neighbourhood as well.   This church program that Lorrie is giving free air time to probably makes conversion of these people who do not follow evangelical Christianity, a condition to receive this help.  What? If they refuse to convert, they’re fucked? No help?  Is that what you suggest Lorrie and others like you? If so, then you just proved a necessity for more government involvement and/or the need to put secular programs in place for them.

Here a few  shiny items Reverend Meikle has to offer that attracted Lorrie’s attention. I wonder if he wishes he were an Evangelical Christian now? Brace yourselves for the miracles now.

He tells the gangsters — face to face — to lay down their guns, stop dealing drugs and stop impregnating women.

Wow! And they actually listen? Just that order with a few bible lessons, they have stopped all their violent and criminal activities?

He tells young, black women God wants more for them than to become baby mothers, living in poverty.

Oh, I haven’t stopped laughing at this goody! I think only the good folks of Dammit Janet or Pale Cold from a Creative Revolution should take a crack at that one. I’m sure they can do it more justice than your’s truly.

Does he want young white, Asian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindhu women to become more than baby mothers, living in poverty?  Keeping abortion legal would be a good start to reducing that risk.

He tells black parents they must stick together, love and discipline their children and provide for their future.

Again, what about parents from other cultures and creeds?  And for that matter, should the woman continue to stay in a toxic relationship where abuse of any kind is involved? That helps society how?

Lorrie in his infinite wisdom suggested that  Tommy Douglas would be dismayed at today’s happenings:

After all, this would come as a shock — were he alive — to NDP founder Tommy Douglas, a Baptist minister and the father of medicare, as well as to the Christian preachers instrumental in founding the NDP’s forerunner, the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation.

Lorrie, you comparing Tommy Douglas to  Reverend Meikle and/or politicians like Maurice Vellacott, Stockwell Day, Vic Toews, Darrell Reid et al?

When Tommy Douglas went into politics, he left religion behind. He was no longer a minister.  Whatever religious beliefs he maintained and how he kept his faith was kept secret fromt the way he governed.  Somehow, I don’t think only followers of Christianity were entitled to medicare in his world. No, he created that for all citizens paid for by tax dollars is all.

From what I’ve found about Rhema ministries, I’m not so sure that conversion or attempts to conversion are not part of the package. Here is Rev. Meikle’s  and Rhema ministries website .

As for those socon Harpercon politicians, I’m not so sure they can keep their religion separate from governing if let loose with a majority.

So, Lorrie, I’m really left with one question, Ezzy should answer this too. Given that Christian evangelicals, and Rhema ministries are no exception,  preach that if one doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God, they’re lost.  Jews don’t believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God. Do you both believe in Jesus? If not, according to your Christian evangelical friends, you’re as lost as Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and other world religions that don’t recognize Jesus as the son of God.

If Lorrie were to lose his column and have a string of bad luck happen to him like losing his family and/or his health and becoming downtrodden, would he accept being converted to Christianity to have their help? Or would he rather turn to  a government or a secular community program that would offer help and not demand he take conversion classes?

And Lorrie,  he offers tax deductible receipts to donors, meaning he does indirectly receive government help, whether Reverend Meikle admits this or not.

Just as we wouldn’t want Canada to be under Sharia law (I believe a former NDP candidate actually suggested this), nor would we want to encourage Islam extremism, or any kind of extremism for that matter, the evangelical Christian far-right sub-culture should never have any role in government or policy. Christian extremism is just as dangerous, if not, more so.

Lorrie, I would love to know what you think of a whopping near half million dollars going to bible translators  instead of say bonafide anti-poverty groups and organizations involved with social justice who help all the disenfranchised without conditions. I would love to know what you think of our tax dollars going to Youth for Christ, instead of AIDS vaccine research.

Atta Boy, Gilles, You Tell ‘em Where it’s at!

Go, Gilles Go!

Duceppe blasted the Conservative Government for the “ideological decision” to fund “religious groups that believe in the imminent return of the Messiah and translate the Bible into African and Asian dialects.”

In a follow-up comment Duceppe went further, saying sarcastically, “Will it really help women to send preachers … to Africa or to have the Bible translated. What a huge help and so essential.”

This straight from that delightful little web site, Lifeshit News.

Rona Ambrose, then tries to stand up to Gilles Duceppe  by completely avoiding his questions and as usual, showing that she has more hair than brains.

It’s amusing watching Harpercon women really stick their foot in it for the oh so Dreamy Master Steve.  I realize I’m about to have a trashy Hunter moment here, but I do wonder if these Harpercon women like Mullethead Hoeppner and Bev Odious cream their panties when massah Steve is in the room?? I bet they do. Ok, not a good visual if you’ve just finished supper.

It appears that  Harpercon MP Diane Ablonczy really and truly is either delusional about Master Steve promoting her again, or she has a massive crush on him; here she comes swinging in a futile attempt to redeem herself to the great Master Steve. Apparently, she takes issue with Gilles Duceppe’s sarcasm, as she sees her Stepford sisters unable to logically refute the Bloc leader.

Yes,  to paraphrase Antonia Z from her article yesterday,  The timing of  the release of Marci McDonald’s new book, The Armageddon Factor, is nothing short of divine.

“was what I consider to be an intolerant attack on Canadians who hold beliefs that are contrary to his own.”  Ablonczy added, “In my view, the remarks that he made were bigoted and divisive. This kind of rhetoric, in my view, is completely unacceptable in our pluralistic society. “

Wow! Very good! Taken a cue from the master: shifting your own guilt onto your adversary. It’s your government that’s trying to remove pluralism by turning Canada into an evangelical state to prepare for the end times.  Divisiveness is what your master does. No matter what you say or do, Diane, Steve will never forgive you for funding the Gay Pride Parade last year.

Can someone explain to me how the bible being translated into African and Asian dialects is supposed to help a poor weak and tired woman feeling nothing but despair, wondering how she’ll feed her kids today?  Or how does sending preachers to explain how end times are a comin’ to women whose time has come now or that of her child’s due to starvation and lack of proper health care? And a question that I share with ACR’s Pale Cold:  How comforting can a preacher who has translated the Lord’s Prayer be to a woman who is dying from complications to giving birth to 13 kids in a 10 year span?

I find it rich that an MP from probably the most intolerant party in Canada preaching tolerance to Gilles Duceppe, or any other opposition party for that matter.

Read Marci McDonald’s new book, before Harpercons censor it and/or start American bible belt inspired book burnings; and then stand up and fight, before  a Harpercon theocratic totalitarian regime takes over, because intolerance is going to have whole new meaning.   Talks about censorship? Practically the only top 40 song that would be allowed on Harpercon radio will be  Paul Anka & Odious Coates’ “Having my Baby”, Nickelback  and Christian Evangelical music.

For those who want to send encouragement and/or Kudos to

Gilles Duceppe: Duceppe.G@parl.gc.ca

Anyone want to send jeers to Master Steve?  No problem!   pm@pm.gc.ca

Sarah & Steve: The Tammy-Faye & Jim Baker of Politics

Well, Sarah Palin wants the U.S. to go back to rules based on the 10 commandments. No surprise there. But I have a question: for her group, the bible is considered to be too liberal; to the point of Conservapedia founder, Andy Schlafly has taken it upon himself to rewrite it, to take out all that Liberal nonsense of love thy neighbour, heal the sick and condemning greed and selfishness, you know, real Christian values of social justice.

Have a listen to Sawah for yourself:

Well, no, actually, the American constitution was not influenced by the bible nor the ten commandments.  There are no references to Jesus or Christianity in the consitution, only mention of “nature’s god”.  Not surprisingly, see Sawah run is  her usual confusing self.

The principle misunderstanding of Mrs. Palin’s, is that her interpretation of “our rights to have freedom of religion” translates in her mind to ‘ the right of Christians to impose their beliefs and practices on American law, politics, society and education.’

Sound familiar? It should. It’s exactly how Steve, McVety and all their pals and supporters on the religious right think as well.

In fact, the religious right in the U.S. seem to exist solely to provide paranoid Americans comfort; to lift a sense of helplessness; a misguided notion that if they follow the bible and the rules of extreme Christianity, they would be able to fight off the evil boogie men; communists in the 1950s; Muslim Soshalists in the present.

It was not until the 1950’s, almost 200 years after the founding of the country, and during the frenetic ‘Red Scare’ days of McCarthyism, that Christian Fundamentalists were able to infuse their doctrine into the politics of a frightened and bewildered nation. It was during this time of fear-mongering about communist insurgents (like the fear-mongering about terrorists, socialists, communists etc. today), and of ideological purity tests (like the litmus tests we see among the Tea Party and conservatives today), that the people of the country were coerced into proving their anti-communist and pro-American fidelity by accepting these seemingly benign and ostensibly unifying proclamations.

There are many who ask  if there are any true fiscal conservatives or the so-called Libertarians left? It is indeed a good question. The American Tea-party movement certainly started out that way, but the religius wingnutz are taking it over.  Many now seem to look more to Sarah Palin than to the more Libertarian Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas).  Why would that be?

As for Canada, it’s not much different.  Brother Steve admitted in 2003 that he pretty much doesn’t have the time of day for any of those economic conservatives or “neo-cons,” but would rather follow the agenda of that theo-con base; social conservatives who care passionately about hot-button issues that turn on family, crime, and defence. Even foreign policy had become a theo-con issue, he pointed out, driven by moral and religious convictions.

“The truth of the matter is that the real agenda and the defining issues have shifted from economic issues to social values,” he said, “so conservatives must do the same.”

Are they they the noisy minority? Or is that wishful thinking on our part?  In the United States, that would be debatable, but then their religious right movement is older than that of Canada’s.

Marci McDonald talks about her new book, The Armageddon Factor, The Rise of Christian Nationalism in Canada,  released today talks about the growing Evangelical Christian right sub-culture in Canada.  She says that while Canada’s Evangelical sub-culture  is a mere fraction of  the American Evangelical Christian movement, they are so well organized that they can And yes, and  whatever this book says about Brother Steve and his friends  should be confirm whatever uncertainty or doubts we may have had about Brother Steve and his friends.  Here is another preview of the book For those who wish to continue to look the other way, it will become increasingly difficult to do so.  Bene D seems to think that this is important reading. I would have to agree; it is must reading; particularly those who are skeptical about this theocratic totalitarian regime taking over.

Unlike Sawah who wears her evangelical wingnuttery on her sleeve ever so prominently,  Brother Steve does everything he could to keep his evangelical Christianity as well as his governing intentions a deep dark secret. Although,  it is becoming a secret that comes out more and more everyday. Steve and his Harpercons are also deliberately revealing the Christian Evangelical Agenda for Canada more and more.

Brother Steve did get ‘chatty’ about his  new found Christianity with Drew Marshall, a radio show host with 1250 Joy in 2003.

“Let’s jump into the Jesus stuff here,” Marshall said. “Rumour has it that you actually are a genuine follower of Christ.”

To which he responds with what  we do know but  brings up that obvious lie.

“Yes, I became a Christian in my twenties,” he replied, before acknowledging, “I don’t talk a lot about it.” Still, he attempted to reassure secular listeners who might have tuned in. “I won’t say I always keep my faith and my politics separate,” he said, “but I don’t mix my advocacy of a political position with my advocacy of faith.”

Yes, he began his conversion while hammering out the credo for the newly formed Reform Party with his mentor, Preston Manning. Read more, Preston Manning was more than just his boss, he was his spiritual advisor.  This is that same mentor and spirtitual advisor’s name that is among the top of the short list for Governor General.  Oh, imagine the horrors!

Here is more about Brother Steve’s Alliance Church here.  It is described as looking more like something we would catch on TV with those flashy evangelists  than an actual church.  Below is pretty much their mantra:

The Alliance Church, to which Harper has belonged for decades, believes Jesus Christ will return to Earth in an apocalypse, won’t ordain women, strongly opposes abortion and divorce, condemns homosexuality as the most base of sins and believes those who aren’t born-again are “lost.”

Pretty much every evangelical from either Canada or the U.S. or anywhere  would say that if one wasn’t ‘born-again’, they’re lost.  Well, that’s where that cult type of recruitment comes in to play. Don’t cults generally succeed in recruiting members who are ‘lost’? The majority of those ‘centrists’ who find nothing inspiring about Canadian politics could get inspired by this growing movement to propell Canada back to the dark ages.

It’s also how Sawah maintains such popularity; it is why she could well end up  President of the U.S.  in 2012.   She is giving something back to Americans; something to believe in again; that religious movement that got all but lost since Barak Obama took office.

Obama won with promises to be different. After GW Bush destroyed the country and was the straw on the camel’s back that caused the global recession with all that financial deregulation in 2003.  Health care costs were rising and accessibility to it was getting more and more prohibitive for most. Blood was being shed in two modern day ‘Vietnam’ wars Georgie started, with no end in sight.  Obama pretty much promised to rectify all of those things. He gave Americans something to believe in again.

Well, Obama has failed miserably. His health care bill is soooo watered down to be taken too seriously.  He became the war president. And he seems to be in over his head when it comes to the economic crisis.  He had a wonderful opportunity to get all those things he wanted to do accomplished he will never see again: Democrat majority in both the house and senate. No, he had to pander to the GOP as well as the Rush Limbaugh and Fox News crowd; not to mention, heavy corporate influence that seems to plague U.S. congress.  Given mid-term elections coming up this November,  I would expect a gain for GOP , thus Obama really won’t be able to get anything done. He becomes a lame duck.

Enter Sawah asking Americans  “How’s that hopey-changey thing working for you?” With that, she has disillusioned American voters in lockstep with her.

Canadian voters of today aren’t much different; they too are not inspired by the politics in their own country. They too need something to believe in.

For the time being, the Canadian religious right is only a fraction of their American counterparts. However, as Ottawa communications consultant Dennis Gruending points out,

“Groups that are well organized can punch above their weight — particularly in an era of fractured parliaments and minority governments.” A former New Democratic Party MP, Gruending laments that “there is little in progressive Ottawa to rival the networks that have been created by the religious and political right.”

Jack, Iggy (Donolo) take notes here!   Jack, I realize you may think you can get better deals with Steve, that may prefer to align yourself  with a ‘winner’ to live vicariously through, but  does the rest of your party want to go that Evangelical Christian route of no return?  Wouldn’t you rather keep some semblence of what your party stands for and perhaps align with the Liberals? And Donolo, maybe it is best cut Iggy off now; look at it this way, your numbers can’t really suffer that much more for cutting loose yet another leader, especially if you nominate one  everybody can get behind; to give voters an alternative to believe in.

As for Canada, well, it has always been a more liberal, tolerant and compassionate country, that is, until Brother Steve and his cronies came on the scene and took ownership of most of the Corporate media outlets. Steve wants his majority so bad he can taste it.  In 2006, his membership to the Evangelical far right sub-culture would never have gotten elected.  Given the recent survey out of the Manning Center,  and the way the right slanted media is more and more successful at getting those election weary Timmy’s Centrists searching for anything to believe in these days,  it would seem,  like Marci McDonald,  I have to say that wishful thinking on our parts just isn’t going to cut it anymore.

Remember,  cults, as I’ve mentioned above, recruit those who are ‘lost’; folks who seem to no longer believe in anything.  Consider the Religious political right to be a large cult,  gaining votes from a large group who were given something to believe in again. Remember how most politicians don’t keep their campaign promises? Well, one thing to say about Steve, think back to his days of Reform and the National Citizens Coalition. Remember everything he’d like to accomplish. Betchur bottom dollar he will do everything he said way back when and then some.  It’s not for nothing he is no longer taking painstaking care to keep his evangelical intentions secret. All one has to remember Senator Nancy Ruth losing it, all those  groups that don’t support his evangelical ideologies getting their funding cut, the abortion debate back on the front burner, not to mention, that wingnut Chuckles McVety nearly single-handedly got Premier McGinty to scrap a sex education program. Antonia Z. goes more into detail here.

Antonia points out another scary thing about our Evangelical Religious right movement that gets even more terrifying.

According to The Armageddon Factor, evangelicals believe Canada has to clean up its act on abortion, feminism, and homosexuality because it has a special role to play in the “end times.”

The reason they believe this is even more ridiculous.

Steve and ol’ Vic Toews tough on crime bills are also part of that religious agenda. Like the religious right convincing paranoid Americans that only they can keep them safe from Communist Muslim boogiemen, Steve and Vic will convince Canadians that only they can keep them safe if they can ‘purify’ Canada.

As McDonald says, we have to be vigilante now.  If we don’t want an Evangelical Christian Fascist Canada, the time to act is now before it’s too late.

I sincerely hope that Americans too will wake up, but I’m not finding that likely unless, perhaps,  Obama develops some balls.

If this all weren’t so damned scary and a potential reality; I would be entertained by all of this as I’m sure many would. Watching Steve go in Canada and See Sawah Run state side; put them in the same picture and name them the Tammy-Faye and Jim Baker of Politics.

Sidenote: It seems that Marci McDonald is striking a chord. Ol’ Ezzy IrreLevant is having yet another hissy fit. Thanks Dawg for making my day. I like to think of this: whenever Ezzy or his friends turn purple due to their blood pressures hitting the bell, an angel gets her wings.

Question: If those who haven’t found Christ or those not born again are considered to be ‘lost’; aren’t Jewish people considered to be lost given that they don’t believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah?

Happy Mother’s Day and of Course, The 50th Anniversary of The Pill; A Day to Remind us we Have Another Struggle Pending

What a journey it has been! JJ  best summarizes how fitting for both to fall on the same day, as she points out, motherhood should be a choice. A day like today should also remind that whatever reproductive rights we do have in Canada today was due to a lot of noise,  certainly no one shut the fuck up and a lot of hard work. For those reasons and the fact that Stevie Spiteful, with the help of such influential nasty fiends, like Charles McVety, not to mention media from backwards bitter biddies like, you guessed it,  Babs Kay.  There are, no doubt, more such ‘columnists’ in her midst ready to do battle for Steve and the growing SoCon element of his party.

Given that originally, along with not including abortion in any maternal aid package, the Stevie Spiteful clan was not even going to furnish any kind of birth control in its’ package. Following that STFU incident with Sen. Ruth (and even more of us before Sen Ruth even opened her mouth), most of us knew that Steve was divulging of what could come.  Fourteen groups had their aid cut. Many Harpercon  cheerleaders are claiming that simply these groups underperformed. Most of us, I hope are not dumb enough to buy this; make no mistake,  these groups had their funding cut because they simply didn’t march in lockstep with Brother Steve and his evangelical friends.

While Babs to date is pretty extreme in her views regarding sexual freedom and family planning, there are more in her midst who will be starting that growing movement to tell Canadians that not only abortion is bad but so is contraception as it is endangering the human race; translation: the potential extinction of white babies.  Lucien Bouchard made that comment about Quebec and he is leading that “lucides” movemement, calling for a more corporate friendly, less multicultural influenced, more family oriented Quebec. Recently, he was in some kind of meeting with Mario Dumont, former leader and founder of the ADQ party, longing for the dark days of Quebec under Maurice Duplessis prior to the Quiet Revolution. Those on the blogosphere probably caught on of the more wacko posts of wingnut  Pacheco of SoCon or Bust who were paranoid particularly after last StatsCan projections of  growing population of  visible minorities, who could well, by 2031, outnumber white people  in major urban centers, calling for a 500% tax on contraception as well as a bunch of other incoherent and insidious ideas on how to reverse the trend of the low Birth rate.

If more of these wingnuts like blogger Pacheco or well-known columnists like ol’ Babs grow in popularity, coupled with the lobbying of evangelicals such as the likes of Charles McVety, who claims he can get Master Steve on the phone within minutes, we will be pushed into regression and it will be sold under the guise of the ‘immigrants; particularly Muslim immigrants taking over’.   Obviously sexually frustrated Babs will undoubtedly, as she has already started to do, along with the help her little Johnny-boy and others to come will convince us that women are less fulfilled and are even more unhappy with accessible contraception.

Ogres like McVety will no doubt be behind Steve and the evangelicals writing up new anti-family bills, that would not only see abortion illegal once again, but can well see birth control of any kind becoming a black market commodity. They would try to ban, but if anyone learned from early 20th century America, prohibition doesn’t work; it often makes things worse. However, they will make that feverish effort for a white baby boom,  largely in part so they won’t have to allow brown and yellow people into this country.

Thing is, I wonder if women before the pill were really happy in their limited roles as mothers, wives and sisters?  Pretty much either only young women before getting married and/or the neighbourhood spinster would work and were limited to secretarial, nursing, factory work and teaching for those whose education went beyond high school.  If these socon clowns and evangelicals really believe we could all be happy going back to that time obviously never read any books by authors like Virginia Woolf or Sylvia Plath. They’v never read or even seen movies like  “The Man in the  Grey Flannel Suit” and “Payton Place” , or maybe they have and those are dismissed, particularly in the case of “Payton Place”. No, they don’t care.

Once again, such ideals should show up their hypocrisy: Charles McVety only has two children as does  Brother Steve. Lucien Bouchard only had two children himself. No matter. With all the events as of late, with the Socon movement within the Harpercons growing and ‘owning’ the media, coupled with the pushing of Evangelical Far right wankers like McVety, I can see  a society where not only abortion would be illegal, but birth control would also be illegal, or at the very least, so heavily taxed or much harder for the public at large to obtain, as  Wingnut Pacheco suggests. Like it or not, sadly, bigotry, particularly amongst the Islam population in Canada is growing, and if StatsCan, other polling firms and /or the media keeps churning out statistics like the rise of the Brown, Yellow and purple-polka dotted people and predictions that they will outnumber white folks; before we know it, women’s reproductive  rights in any shape or form are severely hampered as they may demand a society to have more babies, regardless of whether or not they are either wanted or if  folks can afford them. If this happens, prepare for the poverty rate to go up significantly.

The following video of Carly Simon’s song from 1972, “That’s the Way I Always Heard it Should Be”. The song adequately depicts the times, that women were supposed to get married because they were always told that it would make them happy.  In all fairness, many are happy following marriage. I’m happily married. However, sadly, for many, they are not.

Below, via Unrepentant Old Hippie, Loretta Lynn sings her classic, “The Pill” to celebrate the golden anniversary of the birth control pill on the Rachel Maddow show.

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Is the possibility mentioned above far fetched? Maybe yes, but I don’t think so. Years ago, Brother Steve even being elected for anything more than Dog catcher was unthinkable. His brand of hard right evangelical conservatism was out of the question and dismissed as going against Canadian values. His kind of bullying would have been admonished a few years ago. I have seen a Harpercon slogan of “de l’action; pas d’election” not that long ago, taking advantage of whiny lazy Canadians who are afraid of polling stations. No one could have ever dreamed of folks like Mary T who would love nothing better than for Steve to have no opposition, thus paving the way for a potential totalitarian regime.

Yes, many, including Lucien Bouchard do want to bring us back to the dark age and will succeed if we allow them to. They talk up a good game of ‘freeing’ the women and girls of Afghanistan, but by the same token, they want to restrict us further.

They, like Rona Ambrose with her big hair and my grandmother’s funeral suit, with help from Master Steve and some ‘persuasive’ prodding by Charles McVety, they will continue to shove down our throats what we want.

I want to thank JJ, the good folks over at Dammit Janet and so many other bloggers and pundits who continue to remain on top of changing abortion laws here, in the U.S. and worldwide as well as keeping us up to date with the issues, because, lord knows, today’s corporate right slanted media certainly will not.

Happy Mother’s Day to all!

As Usual, the Fascination With Quebec’s So-Called Bigotry is Fascinating to Many it Would Seem

I was looking for further news about Jean Charest and the latest scandals and or polls and whether or not he’s going to resign sooner rather than later.  There will be some kind of  Quebec Liberal Party conference in St-Hyacinthe (still researching that, so not really sure of the exact nature of meeting) this evening. More to come on that.

Far more important fish to fry than to ban or not to ban the niqab in Quebec these days, like huge, career wrecking scandals, which by the looks of things, can certainly compare to that of ADSCAM; or how Charest, himself was attempting to sell the idea of Americanizing our health care system, but no, it seems that some are still hell bent to stick with the niqab ban.

Somehow, there are some who are trying in vain to twist this into a feminist issue. Not grasping how though; the ban, if anything is supposed to promote equality for all in more ways than one.  Apparently, the Simone de Beauvoir Institute, (Department of Women’s Studies at Concordia) has decided to weigh in on this, also claiming it’s a feminist issue: go figure!

I have already expressed my views on this subject here, so I will not rehash them in their entirety. I disagree. The fact is, most of these women who walk through life with their faces covered are repressed in their own homes at least.  As for those women who choose this way of life are actually repressing themselves, and for what? As many have pointed out (Myself included), the Canadian Muslim Congress condemns the practice as more of a political extremity originating from such places as Saudi Arabia & Afghanistan and no, it is not a religious symbol.  When an Islamic organization comes out against the practice,  they at least, deserve to be heard as well.

It is also to be noted that Islamic countries have banned niqabs and other face coverings. Such countries like Turkey and Tunisia. Egypt has banned it in their universities and I believe its’ work force.  An acquaintance was in Syria and in order to cross borders, they have to  show their faces.

I find it strange that Quebec’s bill 94  received more coverage across Canada than the Alberta Courts ruling that a sect of Hutterites who insisted on not having their pictures taken for their drivers licenses, must have pictures on their licenses or don’t drive.  Why is bill 94 much more fascinating than the Hutterites in Alberta being forced to be photographed if they want a valid drivers’ license?

Martin Lemay, a Parti Quebecois MNA wrote a very interesting column  on this subject today while, at the same time reminding everyone that not only are  Quebecers not more bigotted or anti-semitic  than the rest of Anglo Canada, but he also reminds us of events throughout history proving  how bigotry is not an exclusive Quebecois thing.

I can’t help but wonder if a province like Ontario or British Colombia were to ban the facial coverings, how would the rest of Canada react, then? I can’t help that the reaction would be far more subdued and that it would certainly get far less media coverage.

Likewise, those camera-hating Hutterites in Alberta who didn’t get nearly as much air time; would they be talked about far more if they were in Quebec as opposed to Alberta?

Yes, there are wingnutty extremely paranoid French Quebecers out there; and their leaders are folks like Pauline Marois. They are, of course, of a minority.   Hint: in spite of Charest’s political career spiralling out of control over much more serious matters and scandals, Marois still has a very low opinion rating as a leader at only 27%. `

I’m sure Rene Levesque would be turning over in his grave to see how the leader of his party was an insufferable and intolerant shrew.

Now, on to more important matters affecting the province I call home these days.

The World’s Latest Dumbest Christian…And the Award Goes to…

Denyse O’Leary, that’s who. (Where does Canadian Cynic  find these idiots?)  At least, according to many including some bloggers from Austin, Texas; the bible belt of America. Go figure. They just relinquished that prize from Ray Comfort: you remember him? Kirk Cameron’s ‘comfy’ friend? 

First, CC brings attention to this masterpiece of O’Leary’s.

… [a writer's] editor had demanded that I account for the fact that humans share 98% of our DNA with chimps.

I asked her a simple – and, to me, obvious – question: Let’s kidnap a guy off the subway in Toronto. Yes, that is a felony offence, but maybe we can manage the whole thing discreetly and get the charges dropped, if he agrees that it was all a private matter anyway …

(would help if he was a friend or relative – of course, we could, at worst, be charged with wasting police time …)

But now! We’ve got him! We will put a chimp from the local zoo of similar age beside him (securely buckled in, because we would not want anything bad to happen to our man).

If both are more than 30 years old, and are normal specimens, how many people will believe that they are 98% identical?

What woman, otherwise consigned to being a spinster, would marry the chimp if she didn’t get the man? After all, the chimp is supposedly 98% of a man.

And if Denyse didn’t get enough of a nosebleed to come up with this goody, here’s another.  All about how kittens grow into cats. Much like the pic of those pugs below. 

Thanks for that pic deBeauxOs.

I wonder if she is really this dumb, or is some very strange way of maintaining her parasitic  status as a ‘journalist’? I, mean, after reading about her, it is easy to see why she can not only never get a job as even the lowest form of hack, for say, the National Pest, but like Kathy Shaidle,  I seriously doubt she can get any kind of job, anywhere. Funny how quickly a no talent hack and ignoramous can get notoriety from all over the place.  Maybe if she were semi-rational,  she would simply be ‘Denyse Who?’

I wonder how many others are like her hiding under a rock waiting to pounce? Stories like that are sure scary.

de BeauxOs: ok if we take out the deaf, blind and mute parts and fix Denyse up with Jason Kenney?  Something tells me he may enjoy that whole reverse Mrs Robinson and Benjamin thing.

As for the rest of the female cons who already have a problem with credibility  much of the time, you may want to do yourselves a favour and distance yourselves from her.

Voters’ Priorities Go To Pot …And Why do Some Progressives Fear Iggy More than Stevie?

Here we go yet again.  Once again, Iggy may not be our first choice, but he’s all we’ve got at this time. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t, yeesh! This time, it’s about that whole marijuana; to legalize or not to legalize? That is the question of the day it would seem. Even over at the Youtube site, TalkCanada,  where folks are posting questions for St-Stevie to answer at about 19;00 tonight are largely, if not for the most part, all about the legalization of pot. Way to go, Canada! Great way to keep our priorities straight. I can get these questions from impressionable teen-agers or even young adults who haven’t lived long enough to question more substantial issues. However, from the 30 something and up crowds?

Don’t get me wrong, I also support the legalization of marijuana, particularly if it is regulated and taxed, much like alcohol and cigarrettes.  Instead of throwing pot users into our already overcrowded jails and prisons, being a further drain on the taxpayers,  legalize it and earn tax revenue from it that can go toward much needed improvements on our health care system or some other program of importance. I would lobby for that, but also, it’s not a deal breaker for me when I go out an vote. There are far more important issues that should be deal breakers for voters though. Issues like health care, abortion, equal rights for all, torturegate, the environment, that war in Afghanistan, women’s issues, etc. etc.

I’m also for the legalization and regulation of prostitution. Again, more tax revenue and the sex trade can be regulated to make it a whole lot safer, much like in the Netherlands. I didn’t see or hear too many questions about that at the TalkCanada site.

There were quite a few of those questions as well there should be. There should have been even more, although, sadly, most of those questions will be censored, more than likely.

As for that little ‘scandal’ at that Newfoundland high school, where Iggy spoke, one kid asked him his thoughts of legalized marijuana:

“If I had to tell you as a parent or as someone who has spent his whole life working with young people, the last darn thing I want you to be doing is smoking marijuana,” the federal Liberal leader said. “I want you to be out there digging a well, digging a ditch, getting a job, raising a family … doing stuff, instead of parking your life on the end of a marijuana cigarette.”

However, their parents and teachers and the school’s administration do vote. Most readers here at S.S.M. are, were or are going to be parents of teen-agers. Let’s say Iggy did advocate the legalization of pot in any shape or form, can no one imagine the backlash? Teachers and school admin would be panicking and rightfully so…they’d be trying to figure out damage control when the parents of these kids start calling to give them shit. Worse, they would go over their heads to the schoolboards, thus aggravating the higher ups.  Damage control! Oh Damage control! Politicians for the most part, if they have good staff working behind the scenes can do damage control. Schools and their schoolboards, scandals of any kind are not such an easy thing to get out from under.

No matter how progressive you may claim to be, are you all going to tell me that you allow your kids to smoke pot? Or that you would condone anyone in a position of power to condone pot or drugs of any kind at their school?  Be honest with yourselves, and really think about that one. I also know that if Steve, Jack Layton, Gilles Duceppe or even  Lizzy May were faced with this question by a kid, they too would have to be careful with the answer they give no matter what they may campaign on at a later time or whatever their feelings are on the subject.

In addition, Iggy gave the typical old stay in school, work hard and be productive members of society speech. I can agree that that whole ‘ditch digging’ metaphor was a poor choice, but I think we can all get it.  Also, yes, he could have given a better explanation than that whole ‘We don’t want to displease Washington thing’; Lord knows there are many he could have drawn from.  Personally, if it were me, I would have brought up the more important issues I mentioned above in this piece, but, essentially, he have the same speech that would have been expected of any leader anywhere.

However, Chris, not like your master never played such a close game of  ‘monkey see-monkey do’ with the Whitehouse, eh?  Not like he makes a regular nuisance of himself with President Obama?

Folks, leave the Iggy and other opposition parties bashing to the likes of the Blogging Tories, they have not much else to do with themselves.

I have a question for those progressives who really hate Iggy and/or the Liberals though, Why is Iggy much worse than St-Stevie? Sometimes,  when I read some of the progressive blogs, I get the feeling that Iggy is more criticized than St-Stevie and the Harpercons; almost like  they would even entertain an Evangelical Far Right Christian Fundamentalist totalitarian regime over having Iggy as PM of a Liberal minority government (best Iggy can ever hope for and even then). Why is that?

Do they honestly think that St-Stevie’s far right ruling of illegal abortions, Americanizing what’s left of our universal health care system (Flaherty even hinted at it very recently), repealing not only same sex marriage, but also stripping away all gay rights,  and a whole host of nightmarish things he always dreamed of doing is better than a Liberal minority?  We may not know Iggy that much, but I think it’s a safe bet that at worst, Canada remains as is…still  in need of certain reforms, but I don’t think Iggy can make it any worse than a St-Stevie majority can. ..no Fundamental Christianity  Sarah Palin/ George W Bush rule and laws that go with a Harpercon majority.

No, it’s more like Iggy is pretty much like most politicians, not a great thing, but then,  apathetic Canadian  don’t try to get any better neither. St-Stevie, though, to his credit and much to the chagrin of all of us progressives has demonstrated how different he is from the usual politician in so many ways.  He always said we wouldn’t recognize Canada when he got through with it. Most of  us have already started to see those drastic changes he did for the worst…and that is with a minority! Imagine him with a majority? Would be the totalitarian regime, no doubt. Any party in opposition would simply only have the role of taking up space as they would be rendered absolutely useless.

No folks, this Iggy and Liberal bashing as well as those who bash the N.D.P. (Eugene Forsey, I hope you’re reading this!) or bash any of the opposition parties is not going to get Harper out of office, if anything, it helps him get his majority. Remember, Stevie’s secret to his success is playing that old divide and conquer routine.

In order for Iggy to be gone, he needs to lose a general election. The liberals are not going to get rid of him otherwise.  Even if St-Stevie gets another minority, I gather that would be it. His party is going to see that Steve cannot get that coveted majority and they would push him out the door surely. I would hazzard a guess that the Cons would pick somebody more Progressive Conservative type than another evangelical far right Christian fundy type.

What would be best before the next election is for all of the opposition parties as well as progressive Canadian citizens to push for a coalition to get us through the next election.  A coalition would be our savior.

Neo-Cons Continue to Justify Unabashed, Unregulated Capitalist Greed…this Time, Women are the Scapegoat

Fern Hill’s post regarding taxation on sterilization particularly grabbed my attention this morning. She found this idiotic idea from yet another one of those unstable blogging neo-tards where she expresses idiotic ideas like hitting childless couples with heavy tax penalties and taxing contraception (500%) to the point of turning it into illegal contraband like cocaine and machine guns. Like most of those Romper roomies, those ideas didn’t just hit her. She was reading more convoluted causes of of the recession being caused by anything but the real cause which is, of course,  unregulated corporate greed, Bush’s deregulation of the banking system and everyday folks going bankrupt because they bought into those western ideals that measure a person’s value by how big their houses and cars are and how many material posessions they don’t use they can get their hands on simply for the sake of bragging rights to ooo-ing and aw-ing neighbours.

This time, this blogging neo-tard can get all relieved and even cum in their pants  now because the Vatican Economist is stating that the recession is not the fault of the banks, but rather, the fault of lower birth rates.

This of course, brings me back to a time when Lucien Bouchard enraged many folks when he stated in October of 1995:

“We’re one of the white races that has the fewest children.”

All Bouchard did was make a whole lot folks pissed.  Socon or bust honestly thinks that beating childless couples over the head with excessive “sterilization” taxes will turn these women into instant baby factories.  What about couples who are infertile who do want children but can’t afford fertility treatments? You want to tax them to death due to being baron, but you also stress that you don’t want our health care system to cover fertility treatments? How does that work?

A future workforce, after all, is essential to the growth and continued existence of the State.

Again, a problem with that;  even though many are retiring these days, most of their jobs are not being refilled either in the public or private sectors.  My current job is an example of that. Due to the retirement of the receptionist at the point of service where I work, my position and her’s merged. In addtion to doing my duties, I’ve also had this retired receptionist’s work load added. I don’t mind, I’m always up for to a challenge and it keeps me employed at a place I really enjoy working at.  I am merely providing an example of the current work trends.

 It’s been a long time since either Canada or the U.S.  has produced more than we consume. We keep outsourcing manufacturing and call-center jobs to China, India, Thailand and other Asian countries.

In a few years, due to either this recession or a raise in the retirement age, the flow of workers retiring will come to an eventual halt, thus not much new job growth, nor much opportunity to grow in any industry.

Also, as technology evolves, there is less of a need for manpower. In other words, even if we all get barefoot and pregnant, we would probably have a bunch more unemployed adults who would need to use government resources, much like the aging baby boomers.

Do I really have to touch on the utter stupidity on taxing contraception 500%??  That will really curb the spread of AIDS and other STDs.

Yes, yes,  While Bouchard, Socan or Bust, other neo-cons and theocrats and the Vatican Economist all twist themselves over no one in the western world is having babies to condemn them to indentured servitude, they seem to forget that there are many,  many babies born in the developping world.  Their own economies don’t help these families to help themselves or any economy of the future for that matter. This whole we’re not having enough babies thing kind of flies flat doesn’t it?

 I’m surprised they haven’t gone for the most offensive and insist that childless westerners adopt third world babies a la Madonna and Brangelina, thus having more future tax-payers, but then, that would bring us to our current “problem” here in Canada, according to many Canadians bigots: too many immigrants. This, of course, is no surprise, check out that CBC comments page today. Many of their comments go in so far as to really come off as white supremacists. 

Yes, they’re all scared they may have to make certain concessions and learn to be tolerant of these new tax payers. This too would make them blame us for not having white babies to endenture them to a life of servitude and to protect the lilly-white neo-con greedy bigots.

My question is to these neo-cons like Socon or Bust: Are you all barefoot and pregnant expecting minimum your 5th child. Hell neo-con evangelicals like St-Stevie and GW Bush only have two children each, for the most part.

Once again, this is a case of neo-cons shifting the blame in order to justify their own selfishness in order to hide from the real cause of the recession which was greed; pure unabashed capitalist greed and now they bitch and moan over the lack of births and can’t stand it when they have to learn to live in the same world as our new immigrant tax-payers. After all, unless you’re Native Indian,  you too are derived from immigrants.

No, it’s about time to swear off greed and materialism and start thinking about the communities in which we live.   Job creation is vital and we have to stop sending our jobs overseas at the expense of our workers. And yes, more regulation is definitely needed in the banking industry.

The blame game just doesn’t accomplish anything anymore, neither does greed nor bigotry.

I agree with Fern Hill on this one: I personally don’t care who is paying for our social programs.and such

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